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Transcript of Proceedings

Compassionate Welfare Reform: Empowering Charities and Private Citizens

a conference sponsored by
The Beacon Hill Institute
and
the David R. Macdonald Foundation


held on
Thursday, December 12, 1996
Caucus Room, Cannon House Office
Building, Room 345, Washington, D.C.
10 a.m. to 1 p.m.
©Beacon Hill Institute, 1996-1997. All rights reserved.


MS. HUFFINGTON: It now gives me great pleasure to introduce Robert Woodson, who is the founder and President of the National Center for Neighborhood Enterprise. He is a hero of mine, a mentor of mine, who was instrumental in my founding, together with Marvin Olasky, the Center for Effective Compassion, who has introduced me to some of the most remarkable people around this country who are actually in the trenches, solving problems day in, day out. And who has been challenging Republicans throughout the last two years not just to talk about what they're against but to talk about what they are for and to illustrate it.

And he has even been quoting the Bible, Matthew, about what happens when we talk about removing an evil but do not fill that vacuum with what is good.

So, it gives me great pleasure to introduce to you, Bob Woodson.

[Applause.]

MR. WOODSON: I also want to thank Congressman Kasich and Dan Coats. It's been a long time we've been struggling with this, right, Dan? And, also, my friend, Ray Shamie. I met Ray back in 1981 when he was challenging a Kennedy in Massachusetts in the Senate race. And just delighted to see him again and have him sponsor this event, and to co-sponsor it. I am just delighted to be here.

Let me just say that Senator Danforth, before he left the Senate, I had the pleasure of being with him at a private dinner following the nomination of Clarence Thomas and that was successful. And he said something to a group of conservatives that stays riveted in my mind and in my heart.

He said, that if we are ever in a position to do to the left what they have done to Clarence Thomas we must all take a pledge not to do it. But we have got to live by a principle that is different than people like that. And I would say that that same proposition is true when it comes to public policy.That we must be morally consistent. But what I'm witnessing, and as a civil rights activist in the '60s, I left the movement when I saw that many people wanted to take arrogant, exploitative whites feeding at the trough and replace them with arrogant blacks who were feeding at the trough. And I said that what I fought for was removal of pigs from the trough, not to replace one color of pig with another.

And I am faced with this same dilemma right now that if this movement is to truly serve the kind of people that we are trying to reach, to recover this nation, to engage in a kind of civic renewal, we have got to be morally consistent. And engage in a kind of self-criticism that prevents us from exhibiting the kind of arrogance when it comes to poor people. There are some people in the conservative movement who are beginning to challenge the charitable tax credit. It didn't come from them and they have no right to dismiss it.

A few years ago, Congressman Newt Gingrich, Speaker Gingrich asked some of us to convene grassroots leaders from all over the nation and ask them what they would like to see in place? The first recommendation that these 50 grassroots leaders--coming from the barrios of San Antonio, Texas, from Appalachian whites, Native Americans from reservations, blacks from the ghettos--all of them said, charitable tax credits. We have got to empower individuals. We have got to begin to empower the people and we've got to make customers. We got to take the principles that operate in our market place and make them operate in our social economy.

And, so, I say today that the charitable tax credit issue is to poor people what Brown v. Board of Education and the Voting Rights Act was to blacks. It is a fundamental issue of liberation. It is a fundamental civil rights that we must see it become law in order for us to change the strangle-hold that the poverty industry has over programs to aid the poor.

The poverty industry has no proprietary interest in removing poverty. Sometimes you're known, Ray, by the enemies that you make. And this bill is making the right enemies, Congressman and Senator.

All of the major charities are opposed to it. I even had the head of the Orchestras Association and the Federation of Zoos come up and tell me why it should not be law and I knew I was in the right struggle.

[Laughter.]

MR. WOODSON: So, you maintain because low-income people are doing their best and you're right, the issue isn't, Arianna, Government, what level of government. The issue is that we have got to take responsibility beyond all levels of government. That's why the debate over the devolution of authority to the states is important but an inadequate argument.

The issue isn't should we devolve authority down to lower levels of government; we should devolve it down to civic institutions, put it back where it belongs, in the homes and in the neighborhoods and in the churches and in the nonprofit organizations where people live, so, that they can make the best judgments--low-income people that the National Center supports all over this nation, in 38 States.

These are the people that have demonstrated that they can reach the Avis, that they can reach the people who the social service agencies have failed, the prisons have failed.

Victory Fellowship, in San Antonio, Texas, has over the past 27 years salvaged and transformed the lives of 13,500 hard-core drug addicts, prostitutes and thieves; people that a psychiatrist, the jails, everyone had given up on, but they were able to transform their lives because they don't believe in rehabilitation. They believe in transformation.

What they need is a new life, not to be recovered back to the state of confusion that existed before they became an alcoholic.

And if you have any doubt that the Book of Matthew is correct, that if you remove an evil through rehabilitation and don't replace it with something of value that an evil seven times worse will take it's place, check out what is happening to the off-springs: the son and daughter of the ambassadors who came and killed their mother, or the kids who have joined these cults and become vampires and actually conspired to kill the parents of the children. These are upper-income white kids from the best high schools, two-parent households. So, their problems are not economic and social or lack of government. It is a lack of values. We are in a moral and spiritual free-fall that destroys more people in low-income neighborhoods because they are not buffeted with the kind of benefits that those who are not there have.

But trust me, the struggle in suburbia is the same struggle that is taking place on the streets of our communities and many of the people in low-income neighborhoods that have demonstrated that they can transform people in the worst circumstance where there is high crime and violence, if they can transform the lives of people in those environments and bring them back to fully complete lives, what can they do for suburban white kids who are suffering the same moral and spiritual malaise?

So, therefore, the charitable tax credit is an important vehicle. It is the most important vehicle for transforming those communities because they are desperate for money, they are desperate for assistance. But the conditions that are attached to the kind of programs that the government imposes is antithetical to their interests.

The left continues to press poor people to accept government programs and government says religion and faith cannot be a part of your remedy.

One woman who was a bureaucrat sat for a day at Rickety Fellowship and said, you all do it better than anyone that I've ever seen anywhere in the state but the only problem is you do it the wrong way. You don't have people with master's degrees.

And, therefore, I say to you in conclusion that it is important for us to join in common community with these low-income healers because they and charitable tax credit will enable them to receive the kind of money that they need. And the real fear that the providers have is not just that money will be diverted from their coffers to low-income people, but they are afraid, Ray, of the competition. Because if the faith-based drug and alcohol treatment program can transform the life of a drug addict who's been on heroin for 15 years at a cost of $50 a day, when a conventional program costs $600 a day; when the conventional program has a 6 to 10 percent success rate and a faith-based program has an 80 percent success rate at a cost of $50 a day, what would it do to the poverty industry if taxpayers ever found that out?

And, so, therefore, let me conclude by saying there are a number of organizations all over this nation that the National Center has documented and they are here for you to receive. But let me say that it is important for us to have the proper attitude. The very fact that Congressman Kasich and Dan Coats and come and sit and listen and learn, themselves, means that they understood what it takes to be leaders in this movement.

I was listening to Chuck Swindell the other day, he said, love that reaches up is adoration, love that reaches out is affection, but love that bows down is grace. And what we must do, as leaders in this movement, is bow down in the presence of these neighborhood healers and learn at their feet as to how they have been able to transform the lives of people and take what they do and make it the center of public policy.

In order to do that, it means that we're going to have to overcome the imperialism that education causes us to adapt and listen to these neighborhood healers, learn from them and join with them.

And that's why I believe that the charitable tax credit is the most important issue of this decade.

Thank you.

[Applause.]


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